DISQUS

A VC: My Favorite Line From The President's Press Conference Last Night

  • JLM · 9 months ago
    The problem I am starting to have w/ Obama is that he usually means exactly the opposite of what he says. He has become the Prevaricator in Chief and has personally lit the flames of class warfare which have resulted in the widespread acceptance of such demonization.

    A quick read of Saul Alinsky's treatise Rules for Radicals and the understanding of Obama's formative experiences as a community organizer in the cesspool of Chicago is useful in seeing how his mind works. The writings are a clear map of Obama's conduct since he entered politics.

    Witness --- the new age of savings and investment --- the paradox between dramatically increasing spending and running $1T deficits for 10 years and calling it "saving".

    He is an elitist and patronizes those to whom he speaks while dismissively acknowledging what should, in fact, be "celebrated". We should celebrate the innovations brought to the world through entrepreneurial zeal.

    Look back at the Founders and tell me who they were --- the guys who created this great country? They were the risk-taking, entrepreneurial, business-creating, investment-making, principled men of their times who valued freedom --- the underpinning principle and core virtue of free market capitalism --- more than life itself.

    I wonder if such men still exist? I don't really know anybody who could hold George Washington's jock these days.

    Entrepreneurial drive did not just "fuel" this country, it CREATED this country. More importantly, it is alive and well.

    I suspect that when we look back on all of this from ten years hence, we will realize that the markets did their work and did it well in spite of government interference.

    BTW, is the war in Iraq still going on? I haven't heard much about it lately.
  • New West Living · 9 months ago
    Sweet talking can get you so far. He tried to pull a fast one on Russia and recently Iran but was soundly laughted at by both Russians and Iranians.

    Obama's modus operandi is that of a used car sales man. Promise the world and deliver none.

    He is a failure in every sense of the word except perhaps bullshiting. He was lawyer wasn't he?
  • BmoreWire · 9 months ago
    Well I think there's a difference between being an entrepreneur and coming up with ways to cheat the system. I think he does a fairly good job of demonizing those who are out for a scam and making it clear that our country should support those innovators who create value in our economy. Both of these people are probably incredibly intelligent individuals. The differences are their intentions.
  • JLM · 9 months ago
    Those who "cheat" the system should be rooted out, banned from the marketplace or put in jail. I have no problem with intelligent regulation, even strict regulation. I certainly support law enforcement.

    I would personally behead Madoff on the steps of the NYSE at the opening bell, if given the chance. I would recommend it be on a Friday so the news cycle could last all weekend.

    I would ban derivatives of all types that cannot be delivered upon default. I oppose naked short selling and short selling in general. I cannot imagine any justification for these practices.

    I frankly see no evidence of what you allude to as his ability to discriminate between scammers and entrepreneurs. Maybe I have missed something? But more importantly, it is not his WORDS but rather his POLICIES. You cannot seek to create jobs and then penalize the job creators. Not because it is just not good public policy, but because it DOESN'T WORK!

    He has not sought out the input of those who create the most jobs in America --- SMBs. He had an after thought of a window dressing made for TV meeting w/ some hand picked SMB folks.

    Take a look at the Executive Orders he has signed on PLAs (project labor agreements) and other union favoring initiatives and tell me he really cares about employment. Union labor in the US is only 14-16% of ALL workers and yet he would favor those w/ a union job over those seeking a job. That favors the employed v the unemployed.
  • New West Living · 9 months ago
    Dude! haven't you heard? the president is immitating Mr Maddof's rather successful ponzi scheme by selling toxic assets to the private investors!!

    The US government is scamming the investors, investors are scamming other investors, AIG bonueses are taxed 90%, AIG is suing the the treasury, etc.

    Quite a freak show which leads us to the final countdown: the entire United States' financial system is a big scam. Sweet capitalism at its best.
  • Krassen Dimitrov · 9 months ago
    Jeff, this type of comments is why Fred, me and the other progs here like you. We can easily achieve common ground based on common-sense: wealth amassed through parasitism: BAD! Wealth created through hard work, creativity, producing something of value: GOOD! I don't think the President is trying to demonize the latter...

    Now, can we, please, have your reasoned view on the Geithner plan. Here's what bothers me:

    Basically, the government is saying, we’re giving 80% loans to people to go to Vegas. If you lose, you lose your money and ours. If you win, you pay the loan back to us and keep the profits…

    So, here’s what I and my buddy X do: Each one of us sets up one of them funds and we agree to share the profits. We both put in $200 in our respective funds, and take out a $800 loan.

    We go to Vegas and I put all my $1,000 on Red, my buddy puts his $1,000 on Black. Do the math: no matter what turns up, black or red, we split $800 in profits and the govt loses $800. It’s bulletproof.

    Did Timmy not think of this scenario? Thoughts?
  • fredwilson · 9 months ago
    Great idea

    JLM ­ another guest post on the Geithner plan for toxic assets?
  • JLM · 9 months ago
    I will gladly take a crack at it in the morning but don't commit me until I send it to you cause I am headed out of town tom'w afternoon. I will try to get you something by noon.
  • BmoreWire · 9 months ago
    I would love to see that post. Your reply to me alone opened my eyes and got me to look deeper into the situation and do more research like any good citizen should.
  • fredwilson · 9 months ago
    Cool.

    Don't sweat it if you can't make it happen.
  • JLM · 9 months ago
    Sent to your e-mail address today. Enjoy your vacation!
  • fredwilson · 9 months ago
    Sweet!

    It will go up today or tomorrow

    Fred
  • pitsch · 9 months ago
    no need to blame "every" small investor. just some basic accountablity would be fair to the tax payers. or is there a general amnesty for companies and inviduals after the damage has reached an astronomical number?


    from max keisers comment feed:

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    Amount of Outlay or Guarantee
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    Federal Reserve
    $1,800 billion
    Fannie Mae (NYSE: FNM), Freddie Mac (NYSE: FRE), and Ginnie Mae
    U.S. Treasury / Federal Reserve
    $1,650 billion
    Temporary Liquidity Guarantee Program
    FDIC
    $1,400 billion
    Geithner’s Legacy Loans Program
    FDIC
    $1,000 billion
    Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility (TALF)
    Federal Reserve / U.S. Treasury
    $1,000 billion
    Term Auction Facility (TAF)
    Federal Reserve
    $900 billion
    Obama Stimulus Plan
    U.S. Treasury
    $787 billion
    Earmarked within 2010 budget proposal for additional bailout
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    $750 billion
    Treasury Asset Relief Program (TARP)
    U.S. Treasury
    $700 billion
    Total USD international currency swap lines
    Federal Reserve
    $688 billion
    Money Market Investor Funding Facility
    Federal Reserve
    $540 billion
    Line of credit to FDIC supported by Bair, Geithner, and Bernanke
    U.S. Treasury
    $500 billion
    Citigroup (NYSE: C) Guarantee
    U.S. Treasury / FDIC
    $306 billion
    Hope for Homeowners Act of 2008
    U.S. Treasury
    $304 billion
    Fed Purchase of Long-term Treasuries
    Federal Reserve
    $300 billion
    Term Securities Lending Facility (TSLF)
    Federal Reserve
    $225 billion
    Economic Stimulus Act of 2008
    U.S. Treasury
    $168 billion
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    Federal Reserve
    $138.2 billion
    Paid to JP Morgan Chase (NYSE: JPM) to settle Lehman debt
    Federal Reserve
    $138 billion
    Bank of America (NYSE: BAC) guarantee
    U.S. Treasury / FDIC
    $118 billion
    AIG (NYSE: AIG) Bailout (excluding TARP)
    Federal Reserve
    $110 billion
    Bear Stearns brokered sale
    Federal Reserve
    $25.9 billion
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    Total:
    $13,548,100,000,000
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  • James Rodmell · 9 months ago
    I am worried about the word/qualifier "every" before "investor and entrepreneur" as if he is suggesting that some investors or entrepreneurs should be demonized.

    Investors (I am/was one) took the brunt of the meltdown and Bernie Madoff could not be considered an entrepreneur by any stretch of that definition or indeed the imagination.

    I sense a potentially dangerous "us vs. them" scenario where profit is a bad word and those of us who strive to that end will be ostracized as "scammers" or worse.

    I hope your interpretation of the sentiment contained in his statement is correct and I am being alarmist.

    (FYI I loved the Yelping My Way Through LA blog yesterday... :)
  • MParekh · 9 months ago
    Not enough Fred. He needs to exhibit leadership and declare clearly that not ALL WALL STREET is bad and evil.
    Some bad apples and bad practices need to be fixed no doubt, but the entire industry should not be pilloried and vilified.
    If he went on to highlight how our financial industry has contributed immensely to our record of innovation and leadership in the world over so many decades, that'd be a bonus.
  • David B. · 9 months ago
    Wall Street is going to have to take some sort of hit on this. It's unfortunate in some cases and quite justified in other cases.

    Why does it have to take a hit? Because this is the beginning of a depression. And according to the Kubler-Ross model, we have to move through this anger stage. We were in denial for a long time and that has finally turned to anger. Eventually this will give way to bargaining, then depression, and finally acceptance.

    Anger is ok, but only when it's pointed at the true guilty party -- ourselves. We let ourselves get here. It's understandable and probably unavoidable, but that's how it is.

    Sadly, we'll just have to sit and watch this play out. For the next several years an MBA will be a sign of shame. Investment firms will be pariah. And the stock market will be viewed as a disreputable casino. It's unfortunate to be sure, but like the expansion that got us here, it's all part of the process.
  • Bill Davenport · 9 months ago
    Dear AIG, I Quit! NYT Op-Ed letter puts a human face on some of the recent events...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/25/opinion/25des...
  • fredwilson · 9 months ago
    It was a great letter. I tweeted it and it got retweeted at least 30 times
    today
  • stone · 9 months ago
    I too noticed that specific line in real-time last night, Fred. I hope it's sincere but I have my doubts. He has a lot of learn and a lot still to prove. I'd rate his overall performance last night a B-. It wasn't bad but wasn't great, either.

    This economic situation isn't of his making but he has a responsibility to fix it.
  • fredwilson · 9 months ago
    You got that right. And I think he understands that
  • New West Living · 9 months ago
    Obama should have persued a career in abstract painting or avant-gard documentry maker as opposed to politics. The flip flop in his approach to address both domestic and international issues is extremely troubling.

    Demonizing the Wall Streeters and the system in which they operate should be mandatory for the next little while until the very idea of Capitalism collapses for good.

    We can't afford to have "unabashed capitalist" types running amok.
  • fredwilson · 9 months ago
    How about a real name and a real email address "new west"

    We valued real people not anonymity on this blog
  • New West Living · 9 months ago
    There's a weblog and that's all you need to know darling. And trust me I don't care what YOU value.
  • fredwilson · 9 months ago
    That's legit. I can deal with that.
  • steveplace · 9 months ago
    I think Andy Swan got a hold of his teleprompter
  • kidmercury · 9 months ago
    lol, funny that obama says this when every policy him and his cronies have put forward is designed to hinder investors and entrepreneurs and hurt free market capitalism.

    obama's national service bill was just passed by congress, that group of shameless whores (save my boy ron paul, a real capitalist, and a few others). tell me how that's good for free markets.

    every time obama talks the only thing that becomes apparent is that he is absolutely clueless about monetary economics. a real economy is built on savings. savings then become the foundation for credit. obama does not understand this (or at least pretends not to). obama also thinks deficits don't matter. hahahahahaha. the currency and precious metals markets would beg to differ.

    obamadeception.net -- a free movie that helps explain how obama is a puppet of finance oligarchs, here to implement a fascist agenda, which he is already doing. it's free on google video and youtube. and it will set us free of the lies we believe in.
  • New West Living · 9 months ago
    This whole country was founded based on fascim. Type the myth of founding fathers by Michael Parenti in youtube.

    Jefferson believed in liberty and freedom for all except for Indians, blacks and women.
  • Jesse Anderson · 9 months ago
    Well Jefferson ain't here now! And those that love freedom are here to stand for what right, if you don't believe me ask God!
  • New West Living · 9 months ago
    My g-d is logic. Logic says Americans have been living in a full blown fascism particualary in the last 60 years.

    Who is your g-d?
  • Jesse Anderson · 9 months ago
    Well here is a baby bottle! get a life!
  • kidmercury · 9 months ago
    lol, no, the baby bottle is for those who live in ignorance and denial of the facts.
  • Scott Chait · 9 months ago
    And therein lies the disconnect between the rhetoric and the reality. The policies he is seeking to implement do everything to undermine that drive. Unreal.
  • Jesse Anderson · 9 months ago
    Well who should we blame? Is it alright to steal? It do not hurt to put someone to keep watch over the fox's in and around the hen's house's. Now that we are in it up to our banking a*** and everything thing's seen to be going to the top people's who have taken the GOLD out the backdoor, we are are we suppose to do about our prosperity?
  • hockeydino · 9 months ago
    My favorite line - Thank you and Good night
  • johndodds · 9 months ago
    A related sentiment from today's Times here in the UK (following the vandalisation of a paid-off banker's house).

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/...
  • Kyle · 9 months ago
    Good article - I wonder if it's a matter of time until this starts happening in the US. Or is that just a European reaction?
  • toddsavage · 9 months ago
    My biggest problem with Obama is that he says one thing, and then does another. The scary part is that he is SO eloquent that when he says it, you believe it. Here's the best example from his "60 Minutes" interview on Sunday night: He said something like, "This administration will not govern out of anger." I liked that, but then he turns around and passes a bill to tax the AIG executives at 90%. He passed a bill aimed at a small group of people and was purely governing out of anger. Maybe well-justified, but don;t say one thing and then do another. I would have liked him to say that he will govern out of anger for citizens that abuse the system, and then tax these guys at 90% - that would have been so much more effective. It's subtle, but it makes ALL the difference.
  • fredwilson · 9 months ago
    obama did not pass that bill, congress did, and he killed it
  • sickened · 9 months ago
    The jig is up. Sorry for the investors and entrepreneurs who have bought into a system of greed and kept their mouth shut the whole time, but our economy has been overrun by people who are not the good kind of business people. People shorting the economy and spreading rumors, hedge funds deciding which way the market is going to go, corporations pumping money into lies in their marketing and making products crappier and crappier, the rich lobbying away any legislation that promotes the commons if it costs them an extra dime. As someone who has been disgusted with what I have seen in the tech world and the VC world, I have no desire to spend any energy defending innocent entrepreneurs and investors from a general backlash against American greed and self-interest. This economy stopped working for honest hard-working people a long time ago and if anger is what is going to steer it back, then so be it. I know plenty of people who have worked hard and honestly and had it stuffed up their rears by the greed and self-interest of entrepreneurs and investors. This culture of me, me, me has got to go. Stop glorifying people who spend their energy amassing wealth without concern for their overall impact.
  • andyswan · 9 months ago
    "every" is the key word.

    He's fine with those investors who will participate in HIS programs.
  • Andy Freeman · 9 months ago
    According to a number of news reports, the "big guns" in the AIG divisions that got into trouble have been gone for over a year. Those divisions are now staffed with folks from AIG divisions that did well and continue to do well and new folks.

    It's unclear why trashing them is a good idea.

    And, wrt the "bonuses", the financial industry makes heavy use of back-loaded compensation. It keeps folks from leaving in the middle of the year.

    In related news, I heard that Bloomberg reminded folks that half of NYCs tax base comes from 40k people. If they leave....
  • fredwilson · 9 months ago
    Yup
  • Jack · 9 months ago
    I just watched a documentary about heroin use in America. One million addicts and an incalculable human toll, the billions of wasted money and billions more spent trying to stop the violence in cities and along the border. And recently Americans enjoyed an unprecedented opportunity to ask questions of the President directly. What did thousands upon thousands want from him? To legalize marijuana. America is becoming a wasteland of liars cheats thiefs and dope addicts. Two million serving time in prison? We're doomed.
  • Jack · 9 months ago
    thieves, not thiefs
  • fredwilson · 9 months ago
    We need to decriminalize most illegal drugs and regulate them (to various degrees) and tax them

    What is going on in mexico is scary and we are partly (or mostly) to blame because of our puritanical views on drugs
  • Peter Fleckenstein · 9 months ago
    Fred that would be a good line if the Prez actually matched his talk with his walk but he doesn't. He never has either, IMHO. He talks about this drive being what fuels our prosperity, it's what will get these banks lending again, moving our economy once more. Well golly gee, didn't the Prez say in the very same speech that investment in healthcare, energy, and education is what will get our economy moving?

    Since when did an investment in digitizing records (his healthcare plan) ever create the enormous profit the Prez talks about? Since when did the investment of taxpayers dollars in education create the educational excellence that produce the economic benefits he's saying will be realized? Since the inception of the Dept of Education our children's standing in the world has been destroyed - not even maintained - destroyed. Energy? The world runs on Petroleum, coal, & nuclear. Let's maximize that completely to our advantage, not stifle it as the President and Company have done. Yes, the investment in actual alternative energy sources needs to be continued. But reality needs to set it in - the economic fuel Obama is talking about with alternative energy will take years to even start to make a difference.

    The Presidents speech was the same as the one before it and the one before that and so on and so on. His message is stale and has no substance anymore. It never has IMHO when examined closely.

    As I read this line from the President's press conference, another line came to my mind. It was a line uttered over 40 years ago by the President's father:

    "What is more important is to find means by which we can redistribute our economic gains to the benefit of all," said the senior Obama, a Harvard-educated economist. "This is the government's obligation." The "means" he had in mind were confiscatory taxes on a scale that redefines the term "progressive taxation."

    Now if Obama would've said this then he truly would be walking his talk. You can read more and see how eerily similar Barack's father's socialist ideas match exactly what our President is doing right now.

    http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?i...

    Thanks.
  • PhotoHand · 9 months ago
    Judging from the latest developments, Obama is is a defender of corporate socialism rather than healthy capitalism.
  • Jamie Lin · 9 months ago
    Well said! Even better if he did include new immigrants on that list!