DISQUS

egoboss · 2 years ago

interesting, fred - i can see why it interrupted your night's slumbers; is happenig to me a lot, lately, lol - i (we/are) am in the midst of rationalising such issues/opportunities ... seems at the moment that the social-network scene is very polarised: ie, the extreme of the relatively low-noise/almost static environment of facebook and the interesting (and potentially high-added-value) open architecture opportunities it presents - contrasted with the relatively noisy and low-added-value myspace environment ... then we have the real-time, and transient - yet often meaningful - new delivery channels such as twitter.

turning personal > shared cathartic musings into platforms for learning, developing ideas and making meaningful connections is what it's all about, to me at least ...

ewan · 2 years ago

What I'd like, and I'm sure is more than feasible, is to hook up my comments on other people's blogs to my own as either a new post or as a sub-type of 'comments on other blogs', tumblr and disqus together could make this happen and it'd be very cool I think. This way anyone could visit my http://ewan.to blog and see not only what I've posted here but elsewhere.

I suppose I could sort of make it work by subscribing on tumblr to my disqus profile but I worry about creating a feedback loop of repeating posts forever...

ewan · 2 years ago

I'm going to trust the tumblr and disqus guys can figure out any weird loops between the 2 systems so I've turned on importing my disqus comments into my tumblr log, I'll see what happens.

greenskeptic · 2 years ago

Will try tumblr, but I'm already mad at you for getting me addicted to twittering!

Ryan - m.twtter.com works great for mobile microblogging, i use it all the time.

kid mercury · 2 years ago

great post. i been using the term macroblogging, because i think it is about turning the blog into a community of some type. microblogging seems to emphasize the ease of use, i think it is more important to emphasize the value of the community.

fredwilson · 2 years ago

i like that term, good suggestion

kskobac · 2 years ago

Fred - Why do you still use Alexa graphs in posts? Since you presumably have access to Comscore, this seems unnecessary. It seems that even with the heavy criticism Alexa receives from the blog/research world, they still get utilized often, even though to me Compete and Quantcast have stronger, more reliable offerings. Do you have opinions on those sites as free methods of research?

fredwilson · 2 years ago

alexa is "real time" and i wanted to include recent activity, particularly for tumblr since it relaunched recently

Jonathan Greene · 2 years ago

I call it lifestreaming and think you've missed a competitor of great comparison in Jaiku. Though the added advantage of Jaiku is mobile. I've got feeds from all my digital life's sources going straight to Jaiku as the happen and see those shared by my contacts. Any item can be commented on and then there's a thread for discussion. While contacts can choose not to see all of you stuff (or filter just those they want) they see all your comments which enables you to track a lot of conversation - yet in a highly organized way.

fredwilson · 2 years ago

if you look at this chart, pownce and jaiku seem to be losing steam

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_detai...

that's why i left them both out

fred

bobbydassler · 2 years ago

I wouldn't count out Jaiku as Google thought it wise to acquire them, why? I think for precisely the reasons you mention, hyperconnected lifestreaming feeds! bobbyd

Jarid · 2 years ago

web + log = blog
social + blogging = slogging

(just kidding)

fredwilson · 2 years ago

c'mon Jarid. you've been very very good to me on the naming thing in the past.

slogging isn't going to cut it!

fred

Jeremy · 2 years ago

Fred (mr. wilson?) -

what is the advantage of using the tumblr dashboard over a traditional RSS reader (I use google)? Since i can subsribe to the rss feeds of the all the tumblogs you listed above, i can just use google reader to manage all of my content. dont get me wrong, i love the tumblr platform, i just cant see keeping google reader open and tumblr dashboard open at the same time. I understand that tumblr should offer the dashboard because (incredibly) most people dont know what RSS is or how it works. but once rss hits the tipping point with the everyday internet user i think the need for the dashboard feature is diminished.

fredwilson · 2 years ago

i think reading feeds is not mainstream and never will be. it's great for the power users.

but i want to find things that my wife will do, that my kids will do, that my non-geek friends will do

i think the dashboard model works well for them

fred

Edwin Khodabakchian · 2 years ago

"i think reading feeds is not mainstream and never will be. it's great for the power users." I would love to try prove you wrong on that. :-)

Regarding friends post and rebloging, google reader already include the ability to share article you like and for other people to subscribe to those recommendation feeds. The great advantage of RSS clients is that they operate in an open environment.

I love your blog!

bijan · 2 years ago

RSS feeds don't show you how your friends posts play out in an integrated timeline. And you can't reblog or see who else reblogged them.

fredwilson · 2 years ago

Good point Bijan

That's why I suggested everyone go play with tumblr and see what I mean

Using stuff is so much better than reading about it

fred

Rick Burnes · 2 years ago

What you guys are saying makes sense to me for the social blogging end of Tumblr, but not the Dashboard end.

Tumblr will make it a lot easier for my mainstream friends to express themselves online, but I think they'll be confused by Tumblr's approach to consuming content. What happens when they want to subscribe to articles from their local newspaper? Or the flickr photos from a local theater?

They may not use Google Reader, but to paraphrase something you said a while back, the web is their world. They're going to feel constrained on a site that only gives them content from a handful of friends. For now, I think they'll find it easier to subscribe to their friends' tumblelogs on iGoogle or MyYahoo. The feeds won't be as robust or beautiful, but they will be able to get everything they want on a single dashboard.

marcus · 2 years ago

37% of all blogs are Japanese, compared to a mere 28% written in English. And forty percent of Japanese blogging is done from mobile phones.

From a recent Washington Post article, "Bloggers here [Japan] shy away from politics and barbed language. They rarely trumpet their expertise. While Americans blog to stand out, the Japanese do it to fit in, blogging about small stuff: cats and flowers, bicycles and breakfast, gadgets and TV stars. Compared with Americans, they write at less length, they write anonymously, and they write a whole lot more often."

Michael Broukhim · 2 years ago

This (social blogging) is exactly what we're trying to achieve at Why08.org. We've been calling it a 'conversation community'...I think that makes sense for Tumblr (which I'm a big fan of) and Twitter as well. Our product is very early stage and even still, a little buggy. We rushed it out the door in under two months to tap into the excitement of the election, but we plan to significantly build out the feature set, and the types of conversations, in the coming weeks.

Nate Westheimer · 2 years ago

Social Knitting: The process by which people develop content and meaning together in a semi-structured fashion.

Twitter and Tumblr and Social Knitting applications. Vox is not, however. It's social, but there's no structure that develops out of people's coming together. Vox is simply "Social Networking" + "Blogging" while Twitter, Tumblr (and my very own BricaBox) are "Social" x "Creation" = "More Meaning,"
or "Social Knitting."

Abhishek · 2 years ago

Fred,

You should add "Comments" in that picture too. Remember your post about having a page of all your comments.
I think that falls between serious blogging and social blogging. You can call it "Opinion Blogging".

The nameSocial Blogging doesnt work for me either. I recommend "Life Blogging" or "Life Stream".

RobDolin · 2 years ago

Interesting post. I'm curious how you think status messages in Facebook, Messenger, etc. and other mostly mobile blogging platforms like DodgeBall or Jaiku fit into your model

fredwilson · 2 years ago

Status messaging is a form of social blogging. Twittering and facebook status are very similar.

But a twitter feed is all status messaging and you can reply and have a public chat

The way status messaging is done in facebook makes it less like blogging and more like an away message in instant messaging

Of course facebook can and certainly will address this over time. You can use twitter to update facebook status which is what I do all the time

Fred


Fred

whitneymcn · 2 years ago

Fred (or anyone else who has an answer, for that matter), have you thought about adding your disqus comments feed to tumblr?

In your case (Fred) it's pretty heavily weighted to comments on AVC, but the main thing that I find interesting about services like Disqus and Intense Debate is that they automatically collect one's comments from here and there around the Web for a more complete picture of both an individual's input and their output.

Importing that comment feed as Tumblr links could be interesting...they're links to the stuff that the Tumblr-er finds interesting, as well as snippets of commentary on the link, and best of all it's totally low-friction from the user's perspective: just point Tumblr at the feed and the rest happens automagically.

I just started playing with Tumblr a couple of days ago, but what's most interesting to me about it right now is that "low friction" character: my tweets, my del.icio.us links, and (when I find time to buy a new phone and get off the T68 backup) my random pictures all just flow in to Tumblr, merging into an interesting little lifestream. I just started following the list that you dropped, so we'll see how the social end grabs me...

- Whit

fredwilson · 2 years ago

Yes I have but I think it would overwhelm my tumblog. My twitter feed threatens to do that already

I would love it if people actively scored/favorited both and we had an automatic way to post the most popular twitter and comment of the day

Fred

whitneymcn · 2 years ago

I was thinking that it'd be a relatively simple matter to strip out comments associated with your own blog, but a quick look at the disqus comments feed makes me think that's not the case right now (I don't immediately see any elements in the feed that tie comment back to source site).

I'll send to disqus as well (assuming they're not following your comments), but what about adding something like a Dublin Core "relation" element to each item in the comment feed, to identify the blog/site associated with the comment? That would make the community involvement of your ranking idea an interesting supplement, rather than a requirement , and add some pretty interesting metadata to boot. Basically, I guess that I'm intrigued by the idea of frictionless comment tracking, even though it scares me a bit. (And apologies to Dave Winer for suggesting fucking with RSS even further.)

- W

jason oliver · 2 years ago

SOCIAL PUBCASTING!!

social publishing/broadcasting

micro/tum-blogging is increasingly content type agnostic. it's pushing content out to anyone who is interested in consuming it. the idea that everyone has a voice, and that everyone can use that voice to be heard at any given moment in time.

Andy C · 2 years ago

I call it Tumbling. I call mine 'Tumble Drier' precisely because it is just a load of ideas and thoughts circulating. Around and around.

I think of it as 'disposable blogging'. I don't care Tumblr can't import my WP blog. I don't care it might not get backed up. I don't even care it hasn't got comments. I just love the idea of capturing my 'stream of consciousness'

Tyler Willis · 2 years ago

Andy,

I totally agree with you on the stream of consciousness utility. I think my favorite about these new tools (twitter, tumblr, and I'll also include seesmic as well) are that while it publishes information it's not optimized as a publishing tool.

I contend that if you use Tumblr the way it's meant to be used (to steal a term from Ben Casnocha) for quick thoughts about what's on your mind right now, you will never interest an "audience." You will only interest real friends (people who care about most of your thoughts, not just thoughts in one area).

If I didn't want to see random photos, songs, tweets, etc. from Fred, I wouldn't follow him. I happen to enjoy most of his thoughts so I follow, whereas some other bloggers that I read religiously couldn't get me to listen to anything they said that wasn't about their core topic.

/ramble
-Tyler

Tyler Willis · 2 years ago

Whoops, the term from Ben that I forgot to steal was "Cheap shots, quick thoughts, bon mots"

LloydFassett · 2 years ago

I'm not clear on what, or if there is a problem being solved in the middle ground....it feels like a self made RSS aggregator to me and what problem would that solve? To what end is the effect supposed to be?

fredwilson · 2 years ago

Try the five steps and see for yourself. It might not make a difference to you or it might

Fred

kevin · 2 years ago

a tumblog is to a blog what deep cuts are to hits

mtrozzo · 2 years ago

This is what I have waited for to get into the blog scene, the lightweight version of the blog. are you saying it exists somewhere? please advise!!

fredwilson · 2 years ago

Tumblr.com for visual

Twitter.com for your daily activites

Or both

Fred

rbmgl · 2 years ago

ok, i've put 58 seconds of thought into this and this is what i came up with. i hope i win a prize or something. SOCIALOGING. it's a bit like socializing, which is what we're doing here, albeit, in a digital way. we can also draw a reference to cataloging, which by definition is to list or display. so you put them together and you get a pretty good definition and likely a new buzzword. just promise you'll thank me in coming up with a better name then Social Blogging if you use it..haha.

i enjoy your blog and since i've gotten endless free insight, i thought i'd give back in the web 2.0 spirit of it all. and i guess the holidays to.....

fredwilson · 2 years ago

Socialogging

I like it

Its at the top of the list right now

Fred

ryan · 2 years ago

glad you like it. hope it sticks.

r

Tyler Willis · 2 years ago

It really fits for Tumblr. Nice!

Bob · 2 years ago

There might be something to Tumblr. I checked it out today and found it easy to just blog about stuff in general. I did find a small usability issue with the photos action. I tried to point it to a URL that contains a pic but not just a pic and it barfed. Also, I think someone else mentioned this already but it would be nice to have comments. It would also be nice to know the traffic stats for my blog but I don't think that feature is available.

Joe Lazarus · 2 years ago

Bob, you can add comments from Disqus and analytics from Google Analytics or Sitemeter. It takes just a few minutes for each. Personally, I'd rather Tumblr focus on what they do best and let third party experts handle things like comments and analytics.

Luke Razzell · 2 years ago

Fred,

We are thinking of adding to Blog Friends the ability to send comments on your favourite blog posts (plus short urls) to your Twitter account. Would this be a useful workflow integration feature for you?

fredwilson · 2 years ago

If I can control it

Fred

ben · 2 years ago

i like the simple focus of http://www.flickaday.com

leigh · 2 years ago

mindmashing
ideastreaming
or maybe something with the idea of thought bubbles in it

:)

simon · 2 years ago

tumblr rocks .. an so does this blog .. i swear every single time i load this site i learn somethen ..

go fred

fredwilson · 2 years ago

Wow. Thanks. That's so great to hear.

fred

Chris · 2 years ago

Tumblr does rock. My hopes are Tumblr will be the one place someone can go to see what I am up to VS. having to join every social network I belong to. Good for family that barely know how to get on the internet.

Colin · 2 years ago

Fred

Socialogging is good but in the realm of macroblogging and Twitter maybe Chirping is more apt. Birds do this when they are searching, communicating and validating

johndodds · 2 years ago

I think you need a name that is shorter than those suggested and comes to define the whole category - the essence of twitter and the others includes things like simplicity, speed and informality. Somebody may use these to come up with the answer but my immdiate thought was breezing - which is simple has connotations of lightness of touch and effort and obviously shooting the breeze. That should get me some equity right?

fredwilson · 2 years ago

Shooting the breeze is one of my favorite phrases

Nice

Fred

Jeff Jarvis · 2 years ago

Fred,
I think it's a misnomer to group Facebook and Myspce -- even though everyone does. Myspace is a blogging with a little bit of social added as a cherry on top. Facebook is an organizational tool that includes, as a fringe benefit, a touch of light social blogging.

fredwilson · 2 years ago

Jeff

You are right, of course, that FB and MS are very different animals.

But neither of them are optimized for blogging, at least as far as I can
tell.

Fred

Michael Parekh · 2 years ago

Good post Fred. I've found it difficult to explain the advantages of Twitter and Tumblr to mainstream folks, but notice that people do take to it once they've been walked through them. One thing that'd be really useful as a long-time Twitter and Tumblr user is the ability to automatically find the Twitter and Tumblr addresses of my contact list (say on Google, Outlook, etc., ) AND to do the same off my blogroll on my blog. Then of course auto-populating them on my Tumblr dashboard would be the icing on the cake.

Thanks.

fredwilson · 2 years ago

Good suggestions michael. I'll make sure both companies see them

Fred

Ocirasa · 2 years ago

Yesterday I drew this chart on our whiteboard

gregory · 2 years ago

twit-chat, is what i call it, comes from chit-chat

derek · 2 years ago

Its lifestreaming, esp when you pull in RSS feeds from your other presences (FB, blog, RTM). When we bring this into the enterprise it will be rolestreaming, again with RSS from wiki changes., calendars, project status changes, office announcements, voice messages.

Again, its more than that. The face that you can IM, SMS, email and leave a voice message as a tweet means its convergence made real.

leigh · 2 years ago

Saw a fellow tumblr who described it as "digital scraplogging" .....

Linda Margaret · 2 years ago

Facebook I think is simply a portal by which to constantly expand interests and get to know people with similar interests. Blogs and all are where you research, sort of personally selected public databases of trusted individuals with similar interests. I like the post, and I think you have a strong point, but also I think that one could look at the white board as a sort of theoretical map of one's social relations online. Or is that what it was supposed to be?

Pablo Ibarrolaza · 1 year ago

Prehistoric Web Log = Blog

I've thinking about virtualization twitter is a virtualization of dialogue.

Dialogue Talk Log = Slog

MySpace vs Orkut · 1 year ago

We can judge the popularity of these sites by seeing their ranking in http://www.alexa.com/data/details/main?url=www.... Alexa. Orkut has been steadily rising on the Alexa charts but MySpace is still significantly bigger than Orkut.com.

annehubert · 1 year ago

Where would user-gen fit onto this map?
(thinking of YouTube, yes, but more so niche sites like 5min (how-to), ExpoTV (product reviews) - other examples?)

Socialogging, certainly blogging, and maybe social networks (as enabling feature of the architecture) seem to be letting people become content producers - publishing tidbits about their days (is this/will this be news?), linking to existing books/movies/music that they like, whatever it is, putting out their own stuff: text/audio/video content.

Seems related to your map, in ways I'm still chewing on. Would be curious to know your thoughts about how.

jer979 · 1 year ago

I think the next evolution of Tumblr would be something along the lines of Plaxo Pulse.

I have a personal blog (www.jer979.com) and a blog that is more focused on my professional life. While I post all from my professional life on my personal blog, the same isn't true in reverse obviously.

What I like about Plaxo Pulse is that I can decide I want Fred Wilson to have access to my Tweets, status updates, del.icio.us links, and work blog posts, but you don't care necessarily that my grandmother died or my infant got up at 3am.

I love Tumblr, but think that instead of a 2nd profile, it'd be cool to set up different "channels" and promote them accordingly to the appropriate audience.

thoughts?

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Shawn · 1 year ago

Fred,
I'm wondering what you think about a development of both social networking and blogging in a slightly different direction. When I use social networks or even search for blogs I'm sometimes frustrated that a means doesn't exist to categorize bloging and social network profiles by their topic. In other words find all the business blogs, arts & entertainment blogs, science & health blogs etc. out there and put them in some kind of reasonable social network so that I good look at what I'm interested in a find the people who share my passions. In other words, I don't want to use social media to talk to people I already know but to find and communicate with those I don't on topics of interest that we share. Anyway, that's the goal of a new network I'm bootstrapping. Whether or how it can generate revenue remains to be seen, however.

fredwilson · 1 year ago

Its starting to happen - techmeme, memeorandum, newsjunk, etc

These are in effect vertical blog aggregation networks

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Rayan · 2 years ago

I have heard about Twitter but don't have account in it. Imagine accessing Twitter through mobile. I don't know any vendor giving this service. I am a MoDazzle user, I access SN sites through mobile but even it doesn't support Twitter. May be Micro blogging has not yet reached mobile.

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fredwilson · 2 years ago

You can access twitter on your mobile at m.twitter.com

fred

andreaitis · 2 years ago

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