I could not agree with you more. My daughter is too young for school, but it's already on my mind. The obsession most schools seem to have for learning by rote really doesn't prepare kids to be thinkers and problem solvers.
The nice thing about learning to make a game is that there are enough resources available to compensate for things that you (as a student) don't do well while still delivering a great end product. e.g. better at code than art? you can probably find some stock art. Have trouble with coding? take a look at all the reference code that's out there.
It's much closer to the "real world". If I can't do something myself, I figure out whether I can fake it or if I need someone else's help. The key thing is the critical thinking that helps you identify what needs to happen.
And learning by rote can never teach that...
Martin Owen
· 1 year ago
The people behind Squeak (eg Alan Kay) are still carrying a flag they have been carrying for a long time (see www.squeak.org).
MIT MediaLab have done great work with Scratch.
If you want something that looks like a PC first person game.... Mission Maker from UK developer immersive education is a good choice (see www.imed.co.uk)
andyswan
· 1 year ago
Artistic AND useful? Now that's a winner. I'm sold.
harpos_blues
· 1 year ago
The programming language Logo has some wonderful implementations targeted at kids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logo_%28programmin...). DR Logo was bundled with the first personal computer I ever used, back in 1985 -- a DEC Rainbow 100.
These days, I'm returning to my SmallTalk roots for rapid application and prototype development, using Squeak.
Off-topic postscript: I did finish the Jimi Hendrix related playlist for you using Last.fm. Sorry for the delay, I just started a new job and needed to hit the ground running. I'll e-mail you with details for accessing the playlist.
It can be inspirational for parents trying to find new outlets for their kids to learn.
sweller
· 1 year ago
During undergrad, I took a computer science & social issues class, which was by far the most interesting CS class I took (mainly because the prof forced everyone to think outside the box). One day, our prof took an open survey and asked the class why we decided to major in Computer Science or Computer Engineering.
Out of 40 students, 100% of all the men said they were driven in the direction of CS or CE because they were interested in how to make video games, or because computer games got them interested in learning more about working with computers. The remaining students, 2 women, claimed it was because they thought it would be a fruitful and interesting career choice.
Granted, a small sample... But I continue to find it interesting.
aaronwhite
· 1 year ago
Hah! Anecdotally I can add this was true for me as well. And while I'm not making video games (per se), my desire at one point to make them has had a major impact on what areas in CS I ventured into.
Robert Seidman
· 1 year ago
100% even of a small sample is still pretty amazing!
like Fred, it makes perfect sense to me too. Computer games are definitely what inspired me to learn more about computers.
fredwilson
· 1 year ago
i reblogged that on fredwilson.vc
it makes perfect sense to me
it's why i learned how to write software in high school
Bill Seitz
· 1 year ago
What language is Josh using?
Note that an early version of SimCity has been OpenSource-d and ported to the OLPC by DonHopkins.
Excellent, Fred. We do lots of extra learning opportunities like this (not programming, yet) for our 3.5 yr old daughter. Kids have a tremendous capacity for and interest in learning - traditional school seems to deal with the lowest common denominator.
DanReich
· 1 year ago
This is a great post and I could not agree more (especially as a very recent college graduate in Electrical Engineering). I was fortunate enough to have a high school teacher that recognizes the importance of technology. I was building robots in 9th grade and didn't even learn about semiconductors until my junior year of my EE program. His website is here: www.robodyssey.com.
Why can't today's classrooms teach math, science, and creativity with new and engaged methods?
Glen Moriarty
· 1 year ago
I also couldn't agree with you more. The paradigms that currently drive much of education really need to be updated. Serious games, or educational gaming, is going to be a key part of this process. I also really like the idea of teaching kids how to program games. We are hopeful that there will be a number of games that integrate with the OpenSocial API, so that educational gaming can occur across social networks and around the Web. It'll be great when educational gaming becomes part of the overall educational process. At nixty.com, we are hopeful that different school districts, fields, areas - more broadly, tribes - will compete with one another and help each other learn. I posted something along these lines here: http://nixty.com/blog/2008/05/13/opensocial-for....
kevinprentiss
· 1 year ago
The social graph is a game. It's a game we've always played - belonging and status - it's just that our new tools give us a visual layer to what used to just be emotional. I think the definition of "game" is and should be blurry. Twitter is a fun game.
Teaching your kids how to build tools will help them see the forest instead of being just caught up on/in any one tree. This is a great lesson.
Whether it's Facebook or DisqUs they are all tools with their own logic, math and science that can be played like a game. The people, students or "adults," that can see and understand the context of these tools and play the game well have a massive advantage.
I would argue that many kids in school know how to use the tools - or can pick it up quickly - what they need from parents and from their schools is the bigger context of the tools. How else can they use Facebook? How can their location based iphone app be used for learning, jobs, or activism? (They'll figure out how to use it for parties just fine.)
You are a rare parent steeped in this stuff.
Most schools are fighting this wave of tech the same way they fought television and the telephone before that. Institutions don't react well to change, especially when that change is legitimately threatening their control.
Paul
· 1 year ago
I'm surprised no one mentioned Alice. I have a 2.5 year old girl, and I've been figuring out what to push at her (when she can read...) Alice was my first idea (alice.org) but all the rest are ideas I'm going to explore.
RacerRick
· 1 year ago
I bet there are only a handful of liberal arts colleges that have any programming classes, besides like basic econ stuff.
Still to this day, my only programming class, ever, was basic in 7th grade circa 1987. A class taught by Mrs. Hacker (no joke!).
Martin Owen
· 1 year ago
Anecdotally... Rockstar (Grand Theft Auto) are based in Dundee, Scotland. One hypothesis for the existence of a games industry on the banks of the Tay goes back to the time that the local Timex factory produced Clive Sinclair's computers- a computer that midwived many great computer games companies. Most local kids had Sinclair computers ( however).
A strong case for OLPC unconstrained from having to run MSOffice. OX needs Sugar more than Windows.
fredwilson
· 1 year ago
:)
Martin Owen
· 1 year ago
Anecdotally... Rockstar (Grand Theft Auto) are based in Dundee, Scotland. One hypothesis for the existence of a games industry on the banks of the Tay goes back to the time that the local Timex factory produced Clive Sinclair's computers- a computer that midwived many great computer games companies. Most local kids had Sinclair computers ( however).
A strong case for OLPC unconstrained from having to run MSOffice. OX needs Sugar more than Windows.
Iain
· 1 year ago
* good for you and your son Josh * I need to get re-motivated on this project with my daughter (grade 9) * She followed a similar path that you mentioned --- her first response was let's write a game. - I was going to use pygame http://www.pygame.org/ and their first tutorial http://rene.f0o.com/mywiki/PythonGameProgramming - anyone have experience with that?
Austin Hill
· 1 year ago
Hi Fred,
The best example I've seen in this area which was also highlighted at the Games4Change conference (which was great BTW) was GameStar Mechanic which is an MMOG that is based on learning to build new games. You can join guilds, gain experience and contribute to the community by designing games.
It's designed by GameLabs and won a McArthur grant. What is great about Games is they teach children how to think critically about systems, logic and complexity.
There was a lot of good data at the conference about kids learning through games, but this was the best example of how it might actually go mainstream.
justinreach
· 1 year ago
I was going to post a link to Gamestar Mechanic but you beat me Austin!!!
You win, this round.
Austin Hill
· 1 year ago
It's a great concept. Here is a follow interview with one of the designers.
does this teacher delve into how to pick long term winners in the gaming sector. i think not! I have a different angle for max; young teacher :)
good idea you have there just the same. in our ghousegold though, we canr fund the on off switch so you work with what you got.
Freeman Murray
· 1 year ago
Nice to see such a collection of game programming education resources. I recently met this guy in India teaching game programming to a bunch of kids. _______
from: http://www.fangengine.org - The FANG Engine API is simple enough for novice programmers to use and advanced enough to create networked real-time applets. The gaming engine has been used in many introductory programming courses since 2003. Students from 5th grade to college senior have used the FANG Engine in online classes, traditional classrooms and in short programming workshops. You can even write games using only a web broswer now that the FANG Engine has been combined with the Java Wiki Integrated Development Environment.
Giordano
· 1 year ago
We provide the framework most of our games are done with as open source, with a pretty active user community:
Since it's made for casual games, it's surely less daunting that most games SDK. Everyone is welcome to download and try it.
The only issue is that, for legal reasons, only people aged 13 and older can register and download it. So, parents will need to download it
michaelgalpert
· 1 year ago
there is a neat program over at MIT Labs called Scratch http://scratch.mit.edu/ that tries to teach the logic and mathematics to kids by building computer games in a social setting. Currently you have to download the application but they are currently working on a web version as well.
Gabriel
· 1 year ago
Oh!! it's good for kids... Games are all time favorite thing for kids...
hersh
· 1 year ago
http://www.playcrafter.com is a new easy-to-use flash game creation web site as well. It has a physics engine, so there are lots of opportunities for interesting interactions between pieces.
All Comments
Two great resources for anyone interested in working with kids game programming:
http://phrogram.com/
http://www.popfly.com/Default.aspx?shellRedirec...
The nice thing about learning to make a game is that there are enough resources available to compensate for things that you (as a student) don't do well while still delivering a great end product. e.g. better at code than art? you can probably find some stock art. Have trouble with coding? take a look at all the reference code that's out there.
It's much closer to the "real world". If I can't do something myself, I figure out whether I can fake it or if I need someone else's help. The key thing is the critical thinking that helps you identify what needs to happen.
And learning by rote can never teach that...
MIT MediaLab have done great work with Scratch.
If you want something that looks like a PC first person game.... Mission Maker from UK developer immersive education is a good choice (see www.imed.co.uk)
Also as someone mentioned below Squeak, an open source version of SmallTalk (http://www.squeak.org) is quite robust, and actively maintained by the original developers from XEROX PARC. The eToys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etoys_%28programmi...) is an educational programming environment written in Squeak. For more advanced students, Croquet (http://croquetconsortium.org/index.php/Main_Page) is a development environment for 3-D applications.
These days, I'm returning to my SmallTalk roots for rapid application and prototype development, using Squeak.
Off-topic postscript: I did finish the Jimi Hendrix related playlist for you using Last.fm. Sorry for the delay, I just started a new job and needed to hit the ground running. I'll e-mail you with details for accessing the playlist.
It can be inspirational for parents trying to find new outlets for their kids to learn.
Out of 40 students, 100% of all the men said they were driven in the direction of CS or CE because they were interested in how to make video games, or because computer games got them interested in learning more about working with computers. The remaining students, 2 women, claimed it was because they thought it would be a fruitful and interesting career choice.
Granted, a small sample... But I continue to find it interesting.
like Fred, it makes perfect sense to me too. Computer games are definitely what inspired me to learn more about computers.
it makes perfect sense to me
it's why i learned how to write software in high school
Note that an early version of SimCity has been OpenSource-d and ported to the OLPC by DonHopkins.
http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/z2007-11-12-Si...
front end stuff
Why can't today's classrooms teach math, science, and creativity with new and engaged methods?
Teaching your kids how to build tools will help them see the forest instead of being just caught up on/in any one tree. This is a great lesson.
Whether it's Facebook or DisqUs they are all tools with their own logic, math and science that can be played like a game. The people, students or "adults," that can see and understand the context of these tools and play the game well have a massive advantage.
I would argue that many kids in school know how to use the tools - or can pick it up quickly - what they need from parents and from their schools is the bigger context of the tools. How else can they use Facebook? How can their location based iphone app be used for learning, jobs, or activism? (They'll figure out how to use it for parties just fine.)
You are a rare parent steeped in this stuff.
Most schools are fighting this wave of tech the same way they fought television and the telephone before that. Institutions don't react well to change, especially when that change is legitimately threatening their control.
Still to this day, my only programming class, ever, was basic in 7th grade circa 1987. A class taught by Mrs. Hacker (no joke!).
A strong case for OLPC unconstrained from having to run MSOffice. OX needs Sugar more than Windows.
A strong case for OLPC unconstrained from having to run MSOffice. OX needs Sugar more than Windows.
* I need to get re-motivated on this project with my daughter (grade 9)
* She followed a similar path that you mentioned --- her first response was let's write a game.
- I was going to use pygame http://www.pygame.org/ and their first tutorial http://rene.f0o.com/mywiki/PythonGameProgramming
- anyone have experience with that?
The best example I've seen in this area which was also highlighted at the Games4Change conference (which was great BTW) was GameStar Mechanic which is an MMOG that is based on learning to build new games. You can join guilds, gain experience and contribute to the community by designing games.
http://www.gamestarmechanic.com
It's designed by GameLabs and won a McArthur grant. What is great about Games is they teach children how to think critically about systems, logic and complexity.
There was a lot of good data at the conference about kids learning through games, but this was the best example of how it might actually go mainstream.
You win, this round.
http://spotlight.macfound.org/main/entry/salen_...
good idea you have there just the same. in our ghousegold though, we canr fund the on off switch so you work with what you got.
I recently met this guy in India teaching game programming to a bunch of kids.
_______
from: http://www.fangengine.org -
The FANG Engine API is simple enough for novice programmers to use and advanced enough to create networked real-time applets. The gaming engine has been used in many introductory programming courses since 2003. Students from 5th grade to college senior have used the FANG Engine in online classes, traditional classrooms and in short programming workshops. You can even write games using only a web broswer now that the FANG Engine has been combined with the Java Wiki Integrated Development Environment.
Since it's made for casual games, it's surely less daunting that most games SDK. Everyone is welcome to download and try it.
http://developer.popcap.com/forums/pop_index.php
The only issue is that, for legal reasons, only people aged 13 and older can register and download it. So, parents will need to download it