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Re: The Lazy and Smarter Web

George Nimeh — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:20:00 -0000

Dude, I know you delete things to make yourself look good. ;-)

Glad you had some nice family time.

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George Nimeh — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:18:49 -0000

thanks for getting them back online, fred.

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fredwilson — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:29:10 -0000

Cool. Following now and will try to include lazytweet in all my twuestion
posts

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LazyTweet — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:27:51 -0000

Cool, thanks. You don't even need to follow, but you do need to signify a lazytweet request by saying the words lazytweet or lazyweb in the post, which so many people already do and is why I like to say this embraces and extends the q&a concept on twitter.

Re: The Lazy and Smarter Web

fredwilson — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 05:43:06 -0000

I will check it out. All I need to do is follow?

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LazyTweet — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:16:04 -0000

Hey Fred, I myself am fascinated with the twitter + lazyweb concept for getting answers to lightweight questions and finding experts in an area. I've been working on lazytweet.com, combining twitter search and disqus for a low friction q & a service. Would love to hear any feedback. It's easy to get questions broadcasted this way, but getting answers will make or break it. @lazytweet

Re: The Lazy and Smarter Web

fredwilson — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:21:45 -0000

it was my fault that i temporarily lost comments. i domain mapped this blog to avc.com last night and that messed up disqus. when i told them what happened, they told me how to fix it, which was easy. so the comments are back.

Re: The Lazy and Smarter Web

kenberger — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:38:26 -0000

"You know marrying money is a full time job; I don't need the aggravation; I'm a lazy slob!"- Stones, Hang Fire

(since the old comments are awol for now, i'll fill in w/ mindless banter I prev posted to @lotd...)

Re: The Lazy and Smarter Web

fredwilson — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:30:13 -0000

That would be me, the geeksleeper ;)

Re: The Lazy and Smarter Web

fredwilson — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:30:12 -0000

Yeah, I decided to delete everyone's criticisms!

But seriously, I don't know. I will check out and find out.

I took the afternoon and evening off from the web and blogging and had a
wonderful time with my wife and son.

Re: The Lazy and Smarter Web

Jerry Paffendorf — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:35:48 -0000

hehe nice pic. to the side of the lazy web, I reposted it to flickr tagged "geeksleep". long live the geeksleep meme:

Geeksleep: (noun) 1. the act of sleeping during a technology conference or while involved in any geek-like activity. 2. sleep performed by anyone who could be described as a geek. (verb) 1. to capture a geeksleeper on camera and post his/her picture to Flickr with the "geeksleep" tag.

geeksleeps so far:
http://flickr.com/search/?q...

Re: The Lazy and Smarter Web

George Nimeh — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:34:04 -0000

Hey Fred, did you delete all the comments?

What gives?

There was a lot of criticism and commentary that has now vanished ...

If you've invested in the comments company, I'd be worried. ;)

~G~

Re: The Lazy and Smarter Web

Liz — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:24:12 -0000

To tell you the truth, this is what I think when PR/Marketing types post questions on Twitter, that they are "taking the pulse" or getting blog ideas instead of doing their own homework. But I took your request differently in that a) you have a regular group of commenters you are in conversation with about a lot of different issues and b) you were going to both acknowledge the contributions (in your talk, in the wiki) and share what you wrote.

I have a bad attitude towards "crowdsourcing" when it seems like someone is benefiting from the work of others and not acknowledging it but I don't think this charge fits what you planned to do. I think you should go ahead with your original plan but that 's JMHO.

Re: The Lazy and Smarter Web

fredwilson — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 08:00:37 -0000

i have my dunce hat on now T

thanks for reminding me to put it on

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fredwilson — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 07:57:51 -0000

i'll say it again, i am not asking anyone to write my speech.

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fredwilson — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 07:56:26 -0000

i can't just take the wiki and put it in keynote and wave a magic wand and have my talk. it is going to take a lot of time to put all of this together.

but in the time since i posted that request, i've gotten a ton of great stuff

josh harris, who i haven't been in touch with in a year or two, saw the alley insider post and reached out to me and offered the entire pseudo arcive

now that is a gold mine and i get to mine it for my speech

i think you are mistaken if you think i am asking someone to write a speech for me

Re: The Lazy and Smarter Web

fredwilson — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 06:19:04 -0000

That's very true. It's the reason I get such good comments as well.

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Paul Higgins — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 05:21:50 -0000

Hi Fred,

I think there is something here about exchange of value as well. I would contribute to the speech if I had anything to say because you add great value to the community your formed/are part of. In a community sense the non contributors quickly get weeded out in time.

cheers

Paul

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T. Ruth — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 20:50:34 -0000

Amen, G.

Fred has been running on intellectual fumes for more than a few years now -- this sad, dated pipe-dream of crowd-sourcing everything is a singing, dancing cliche on wheels.

The laziness is off the charts. I especially like the bit about avoiding "a lot of work researching/googling!" Dunce-grade.

Can you imagine being a paid attendee at a conference where FW presented his "peer-produced presentation?" Dear G-d, this dude's FAIL-scale is the 8th Wonder of the World.

-T

Re: The Lazy and Smarter Web

Bradjward — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 18:58:33 -0000

I just spent a weekend getaway with my wife in Southern Indiana. My Twitter network chose my destination, hotel, restaurant, and the activities we did. It was an amazing weekend, and the whole thing was planned within 30 minutes. Love it.

Re: The Lazy and Smarter Web

Hugh MacLeod — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:32:04 -0000

I agree, Fred. I call it "Social Search". For some things, it works far better than Google.

Edinburgh, huh? Tell your daughter to go check out Bell's Diner on Saint Stephen's Street. best damn burgers anywhere [I went to high school just down the street from there]....

Re: The Lazy and Smarter Web

Roman Giverts — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:03:38 -0000

this post basically dodged the criticism and just plugged how great twitter is. There's a big difference between a twitter question and asking people to write a speech... I don't think he cares if you ask questions on twitter...

And the fact that we get value by having your speech online is nice, but the reality is you get 100x more value. It's like youtube or other UG sites, the value each individual gets by putting up videos for free is peanuts compared to what youtube is worth.

So I think the real point is that it's not about money or value. Users contribute to the speech just because they want to... and most people don't care who gets more value out of it. it's that simple.

Re: The Lazy and Smarter Web

bernard lunn — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:44:41 -0000

I agree, there is a big difference between a) "please comment on my draft" and b) "here is a blank sheet, write it for me". The former has long been part of the authoring process and Web 2.0 tools just made it easier. The latter is more like open source ie the result is free and open for everybody. It is not Fred Wilson's presentation it is the "xyz community presentation". Presenting the process of getting the "xyz community presentation" now that would make an interesting talk at Web 2.0.

Re: The Lazy and Smarter Web

George Nimeh — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:46:16 -0000

Fred, don't you think there's a difference between asking people where to get a good coffee in new paltz and creating an original, authentic and individual point of view about the evolution of NYC's web industry?

As a concept, it is cute and catchy ... "See how much things have changed ... I was even able to use social media to do this"

But, it is really your thought in the end, if it has been crowdsourced?

For instance, the fact that you don't like the term "Silicon Alley" is personal, and that's great. But, what do you do if Kevin Ryan (or whoever) chimes in with how he felt it was an important and defining moment when all those people in NYC claimed the term as their own? Sure, I know that's a pithy point, but you see what I mean, right? It isn't about being right or wrong, it is about you.

I think the people who have invited you want your thoughts, not a collective viewpoint. I think the people who will pay to see you will also want your thoughts and not some collective opinion.

So, yes, I think you're being incredibly lazy.

If you're looking for a good yoga teacher in Brazil, try Twitter or Yahoo Answers ... by the way I think this looks good: www.uni-yoga.org.br ... But if you're doing a keynote for the Web 2.0 Expo, pour yourself a glass of wine, go back though your old Eudora folders, review your own blog posts and thoughts, open up Keynote or Powerpoint or a Moleskin and put pen to paper. Then, come back to us with some original thinking ... your original thinking ... and ask the folks who read and respect you (like me), and we'll be happy to share our opinions and help you review/comment on what you've done.

But I won't be doing the first part for you, unless you want me to present it with ya.

~G~

Re: The Lazy and Smarter Web

grahamje — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:28:47 -0000

Well, there's a whole industry out there designed to help academics spot plagiarism. Take a look at www.turnitin.com. But the real question is - where does plagiarism stop and the social web begin? So I guess it's partly about the intention - i.e. if a student is explicitly expected to peer produce something that's fine - but passing off other people's work as your own is tricky. It's about attribution and reputation. The gift economy is fine but a theft economy is a bit more problematic.