Thanks for the unauthorized feedback on the official definition Fred.
You are correct in that I'm building a business around what I think the future is: human and machine excellence woven into one fabric. Now, I know that it's a crazy concept to some to align your personal beliefs with your business efforts, but having watched your investment strategy over the past 12 years I think you can feel me. Hold on, someones at the door.... I just got a pint of ice cream delivered at half-price, delivered in 20 minutes.... OK, I'm back (zing! pow!).
Now, on to your unauthorized points.
1. "The official definition" in my headline should have tipped you off to this being tongue in check, but as your response was unauthorized you're clearly not playing by the rules. All responses to blog posts originating off of your blog in Web 3.0 must require a token pre-approving them by both parties. It's double-opt in rebuttal technology that I've patented... it's in the new version of Wordpress and an open source ping server (mayIinterjectOMATIC.org is being setup now).
Moving on...
2. The social web has been here for, what, five years? It's 90% complete and it still hasn't found a business model beyond "sell the traffic to Google or Microsoft for three years" and deal with our own bottom line later.
3. The semantic web is hype term--something I'd never participate in clearl--obsessed on by VCs scouring the eTech conference for a hype word to sell to their LPs for the continuation of database tyranny. It's easier for VCs to think the world is designed into buckets that can be manipulated into hockey stick performance that can in turn be sold for a hockeystick return. The truth is that art plus the commoditized technological will prevail in the next era.
Programmable and semantic web.... ohhhh!!! so such big terms. I'm so intimidated by them I just want to give up and open a sushi bar on the LES! Semantic web=structured data and that's been around forever. The web is just catching up to what banks and airlines have been doing for decades. Will it be powerful? Certainly it will be nice to be able to pull down Yelp! reviews and format them for your phone better, but that's a VCARD and VCAL standard-level improvement on live. Good, but not great.
In the (Web 3.0) future please remember to have your blog posts cleared through the central Flameoff authorization center. Filters showed 18% hostility toward the subject in this post--a full 4% higher than the national and 2% higher than your local/zipcode average.
vruz
· 2 years ago
unauthorised ?
should we licence web 3.0 from you, Jason ?
if this is web 3.0 I can't wait until you come up with 4.0 !
Charlie Crystle
· 2 years ago
Jason--
Yawn.
Tim O'Reilly
· 2 years ago
FWIW, I don't like the term "Web 2.0" much either and I'm the one who made it stick! But for a bit of context, remember what it's origin was: we wanted to do a conference that said "the web is back" after the dot com bust, and everyone thinking the web is over. That's the 2.0 part.
Then in explaining what made 2.0 "different," I spent a lot of time articulating what made some sites survive the bust, and what I saw in the ones that were up and coming.
So my question about Web 3.0 is simple: what's going to make us need a 3.0 term? Will it be after the next bust? Meanwhile, there are lots of trends that are going to converge to make a significant revolution. But it's not more of the same stuff that's already driving Web 2.0.
The kind of stuff Jason is talking about is at best, Web 2.0.1 if it were to succeed to its fullest. It's just not anywhere near a revolution.
vruz
· 2 years ago
Given enough people believing it (and funding it) any commentary will pass as truth... even your definition of web 2.0, and this is still true for Jason's too.
The problem is, I just don't think too many people can be fooled twice with the same thing :-)
fredwilson
· 2 years ago
Tim
Thanks for your help in getting our collective mojo back I will be always grateful to you and john for doing that
Fred
markslater
· 2 years ago
your birthday fred? mine today too! best wishes.
I recall at least 8 years ago several start ups attempting to map the cognitive processes of the brain. How the brain processes information or several loosely related ways to refer to a faculty for the human-like processing of information, applying knowledge and changing preferences (quote from wikipedia).
My simple understanding of this is getting the web to act, and think more like we do - thus web going social, and so on.
Giordano
· 2 years ago
Off-topic, just wanted to say that I really like the new, improved, A VC, with Fred participating in the comments :)
It adds a layer to the conversation
Cheers, Giordano
fredwilson
· 2 years ago
My crackberry is now my smackberry
Commenting via mobile email is something I've wanted for years
dpnova
· 2 years ago
Agreed. I hate the versions.
Also, don't forget the intelligent web and the merging of web and traditional interfaces. Two areas that will also be prominent in apps of the future.
fredwilson
· 2 years ago
Great points. Multiple interfaces/devices is a big trend
I think the semantic web is the intelligent web, but that's semantics for you!!
Fred
timdc
· 2 years ago
I call it WebNu. It's the era we live in. It's not only about technology, it's about how we use the technology to ease our (online) lives. In my blog, I try to explain how I feel personally about this shift. It's not always in fluent english but still, i'm trying ;-)
Scott Yates
· 2 years ago
It's like porno: I know it when I see it.
I don't know if that makes it more nonsense or less.
I wrote about Web 2.0 and Politics, so I suppose I'm as guilty as anyone. Given the context, I think the label can be useful just as a clarifying tool.
But mostly I think people use "Web 2.0" as a kind of a soap to wash off any residual stinkum from 1999.
fredwilson
· 2 years ago
Web 2.0 is soap.
That's a good one
I am going to use it
Fred
Scott Yates
· 2 years ago
Happy to license it to you. Only 99 cents per use!
eric Norlin
· 2 years ago
On the programmable, semantic, social (ie, Implicit) web:
it's web 4.48 and it's definately not calacanis. Just the fact that we are talking linear numbers is wrong. It's the internet. We go backwards with him :)
vruz
· 2 years ago
backwards..... as in .... nowhere ?
howardlindzon
· 2 years ago
By the way - happy birthday to the better half in the wilson home.
fredwilson
· 2 years ago
that's nice you to day howard ;)
Brent Castle
· 2 years ago
I hate to pester you with the versions, but honestly isn't this roughly a combination of Ask in the late 90's and Yahoo in the mid-late 90's? Sounds like it should be web 1.0. Also, isn't Cha Cha doing basically the same thing?
PS: Mahalo is a failed "search engine" aka SEO play...
andrew
· 2 years ago
web 3.0 will not occur until after we go through a period when all these crap companies go IPO and the public gets hurt and the market dips.
fredwilson
· 2 years ago
That's a distinct possibility which I mused about several weeks ago in my 'web in for a tough time?' post
Fred
Sal
· 2 years ago
Sounds like web 3.0 is coming soon..Woot!
vruz
· 2 years ago
I'm pretty sure you'll get the benefit of $2K web 3.0 conferences in no time !!
don't blink !
dan
· 2 years ago
Frankly I find his statement elitist and irresponsible, a leader in web 2.0 should be more realistic than he has come across on this one. If anything it shows just how far removed he is from everyone else.
vruz
· 2 years ago
if he's leading you, you're in serious trouble Dan, sorry.
Eric
· 2 years ago
I couldn't agree more
David
· 2 years ago
Thank you Fred. If you can't define something clearly - it's usually a sign of a lack of substance!
Eric Olson
· 2 years ago
Agreed. These are all natural evolutions of the web. They really don't need to be defined with a trademark.
ben s
· 2 years ago
ugh.. i don't like it either.. why does he need to create new "buckets" for everything, and the sort of self-serving nature of it makes me need a bar of web 2.0 soap to wash off
Ben
· 2 years ago
Maybe we should just take the Microsoft route and start calling it Web 2004 this year ?
James
· 2 years ago
Couldn't agree more. The web is moving full-speed in the direction of community, sharing and collaborative building. Labeling versions is simply stupid. It's a natural evolution and maturing of the medium.
All Comments
You are correct in that I'm building a business around what I think the future is: human and machine excellence woven into one fabric. Now, I know that it's a crazy concept to some to align your personal beliefs with your business efforts, but having watched your investment strategy over the past 12 years I think you can feel me. Hold on, someones at the door.... I just got a pint of ice cream delivered at half-price, delivered in 20 minutes.... OK, I'm back (zing! pow!).
Now, on to your unauthorized points.
1. "The official definition" in my headline should have tipped you off to this being tongue in check, but as your response was unauthorized you're clearly not playing by the rules. All responses to blog posts originating off of your blog in Web 3.0 must require a token pre-approving them by both parties. It's double-opt in rebuttal technology that I've patented... it's in the new version of Wordpress and an open source ping server (mayIinterjectOMATIC.org is being setup now).
Moving on...
2. The social web has been here for, what, five years? It's 90% complete and it still hasn't found a business model beyond "sell the traffic to Google or Microsoft for three years" and deal with our own bottom line later.
3. The semantic web is hype term--something I'd never participate in clearl--obsessed on by VCs scouring the eTech conference for a hype word to sell to their LPs for the continuation of database tyranny. It's easier for VCs to think the world is designed into buckets that can be manipulated into hockey stick performance that can in turn be sold for a hockeystick return. The truth is that art plus the commoditized technological will prevail in the next era.
Programmable and semantic web.... ohhhh!!! so such big terms. I'm so intimidated by them I just want to give up and open a sushi bar on the LES! Semantic web=structured data and that's been around forever. The web is just catching up to what banks and airlines have been doing for decades. Will it be powerful? Certainly it will be nice to be able to pull down Yelp! reviews and format them for your phone better, but that's a VCARD and VCAL standard-level improvement on live. Good, but not great.
In the (Web 3.0) future please remember to have your blog posts cleared through the central Flameoff authorization center. Filters showed 18% hostility toward the subject in this post--a full 4% higher than the national and 2% higher than your local/zipcode average.
should we licence web 3.0 from you, Jason ?
if this is web 3.0 I can't wait until you come up with 4.0 !
Yawn.
Then in explaining what made 2.0 "different," I spent a lot of time articulating what made some sites survive the bust, and what I saw in the ones that were up and coming.
So my question about Web 3.0 is simple: what's going to make us need a 3.0 term? Will it be after the next bust? Meanwhile, there are lots of trends that are going to converge to make a significant revolution. But it's not more of the same stuff that's already driving Web 2.0.
The kind of stuff Jason is talking about is at best, Web 2.0.1 if it were to succeed to its fullest. It's just not anywhere near a revolution.
The problem is, I just don't think too many people can be fooled twice with the same thing :-)
Thanks for your help in getting our collective mojo back I will be always grateful to you and john for doing that
Fred
I recall at least 8 years ago several start ups attempting to map the cognitive processes of the brain. How the brain processes information or several loosely related ways to refer to a faculty for the human-like processing of information, applying knowledge and changing preferences (quote from wikipedia).
My simple understanding of this is getting the web to act, and think more like we do - thus web going social, and so on.
It adds a layer to the conversation
Cheers,
Giordano
Commenting via mobile email is something I've wanted for years
Also, don't forget the intelligent web and the merging of web and traditional interfaces. Two areas that will also be prominent in apps of the future.
I think the semantic web is the intelligent web, but that's semantics for you!!
Fred
I don't know if that makes it more nonsense or less.
I wrote about Web 2.0 and Politics, so I suppose I'm as guilty as anyone. Given the context, I think the label can be useful just as a clarifying tool.
But mostly I think people use "Web 2.0" as a kind of a soap to wash off any residual stinkum from 1999.
That's a good one
I am going to use it
Fred
http://defragcon.com/Blog/?p=138
PS: Mahalo is a failed "search engine" aka SEO play...
Fred
don't blink !