A VC - Latest Comments in Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

kortina — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:58:35 -0000

I'm talking "small" like we talk in science class. Even if there are
a million varietals (I'm no expert), I would guess the number of
popular varietals is still relatively "small" and isn't on the order
of millions.

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

Wayne Young — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:13:43 -0000

you said:
"But there are a finite, relatively small number of varietals."

Youre kidding right?
OR
You only drink CA wine, and a little Bordeaux whe nyou have some extra £££...

Were I am, there are a half-dozen varieties you dont find 66 miles from where I sit, and the same goes for the grapes grown 66 miles away...

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

Conor O'Neill — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:01:08 -0000

Hey Joe, drop me a line to conor AT loudervoice DOT com. We currently do all the collection internally in the LouderVoice webapp but our first solution which we deployed last June should work for you. We use an application called Planet Venus with a simple convertor to grab the Tweets from anyone following @review and turn the review ones into a simple portable format called hreview. Out auto-follow-a-new-follower script is also just a one-liner.

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

PhilipJames — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:41:50 -0000

Fred - I answered this privately, but thought i should address it here too.

Its possible, but somewhat messy. It plays to the unstructured data issue that adaptive blue and many others are trying to solve. Our data is structured, twitters isnt. We could watch @winetweets and scrape new entries, then parse them looking for keywords and then match them to our master wine records on the fly, but it wouldnt be flawless.

We do things like this, and its not too hard when you are looking for single phrase matches, eg. blog posts about Napa, but the hit rate drops as you start looking at text strings. It it worked flawlessly we'd just use google's "i feel lucky" rather than bother to manually select which result is best.

So, its possible, but messy, but we are building more auto-tagging tools to help populate some new parts of the site we'll be launching in a few weeks. Think of these pages as google alerts meets facebooks wall feature for every winery, grape and region. If that works ok, then i'd say we're ready to do reverse twitter integration based off identifying content from within unstructured text blocks.

--philip

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

Joe — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:53:40 -0000

Hi Conor,

I wanted to aggregate food tweets for a site a friend of mine runs (www.foodgps.com) similarly to how you're doing it for wine so that we can send mini reviews to each other and feed it to foodgps. I've never setup and sort of twitter bot / group, so I was wondering if you could let me know how you did this? Any advice is greatly appreciated. Joseph

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

RacerRick — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 23:02:46 -0000

Kortina, would love to talk more about this with you. How do I contact you? I'm rick at feed dot us.

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

fredwilson — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 08:23:03 -0000

Philip

I just joined Snooth and it's a wonderful service.

What about twitter integration the other way?

If I @winetweet a wine, it goes into ³my wines² on snooth

I often am at a restaurant and have a wonderful wine, I can see twittering
it at that moment

I doubt I'll remember to go home and log in to snooth and add it later

fred

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

Natalie MacLean — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:56:44 -0000

Great idea! I'd also love to know what you ate with your wine, if anything. I'm always looking for more suggestions for my wine-and-fodding matching tool.

Cheers,
Natalie

www.nataliemaclean.com

Editor of Nat Decants Wine Newsletter

Author of Red, White and Drunk All Over

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

PhilipJames — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:10:40 -0000

This is live now - if you have a snooth account you can tweet any review and they'll go to the winetweets group as well as your own twitter thread. The rest of the functionality - shopping, neighbours is on snooth already.

The tweet looks like this: http://twitter.com/SnoothPh...

Thanks for the idea!

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

fredwilson — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:30:06 -0000

Sounds awesome

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

fredwilson — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:29:05 -0000

I agree completely

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

kortina — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:52:18 -0000

But there are a finite, relatively small number of varietals. If the site was built to know the names of these varietals, you could create archive pages without requiring extra work from users and the hashtag nonsense. Although, as you say, it's not tough to add a hash tag and it makes sense if explained, (1) it requires more work and (2) it has to be explained. I personally would rather build things that are intuitive and don't require more work than things that ask my users to do work for me and require explanation.

To me, the whole beauty of Twitter is how natural it is and how little effort it requires. This is also why I think a service like Summize is so valuable. I don't (and I suspect many people don't) want to go to niche sites to review restaurants, music, wine, scotch, cars, etc. I just want to tell my friends when I taste a scotch that I like, and I can do this on Twitter. Summize is great because their engineering team has taken on the burden of parsing and understanding all the conversations about wine / restaurants / etc on Twitter and making these conversations searchable and useful. In my opinion, Summize (or something like it) will replace sites that require more work or dedication from users like yelp and citysearch. (Notice, too, the local search that Summize recently added: http://summize.com/search?q... . I've talked with Summize guys about this point and they totally get it. I'm sure we'll see even more useful views of the data from twitter there soon.)

As I'm writing this, I'm thinking even winetweets is asking a lot from users--why even make me type @winetweets at all? Just enter the finite number of varietals into a database and use the Twitter API to pull and index all tweets that mention these varietals or the word "wine" and come up with an algorithm to spit the relevant ones back onto the wintetweets twitter page. That's how a real engineer would solve this problem.

Granted, the concept of winetweets and creating a micro-group on Twitter is cool because it can be accomplished without any technical expertise, but if you're going to go so far as to build a twitter-bot, you might as well do it right.

--
Def like the idea of viewing this data via mobile at the wine store, btw. That's probably the number one place I would want to see this info.

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

PhilipJames — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:51:28 -0000

Fred - I saw Alex and you twittering about a Snooth integration of winetweets. We have the nearest neighbour stuff and local wine store inventories, so we'd just have to hook into the Twitter API. We were thinking of doing it this way, let me know how this works:

Create a snooth account, link it to twitter once. Post review on snooth, a snippet and a tinylink then gets posted to your twitter account with "@winetweets" so it posts there too. The link will then take people to snooth where they can look at neighbours, recommendations or stores selling that wine etc.

thanks --philip

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

RacerRick — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:11:08 -0000

I'm not an engineer but I like the hashtag. It's not tough to do; it makes sense if it's explained.

The goal is to have a page on an archive site for each varietal. The hashtag should allow us to have the pages created on-the-fly for each/any varietal.

Also the site should be able to pull out each user's suggestions and create one page per user.

Plus it'll be mobile so if you're at the wine store you can pull out your bberry or iphone.

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

NICCAI — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:44:54 -0000

Apparently @garyvee acquired cork'd (via Dan C) http://www.simplebits.com/n...

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

fredwilson — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:23:03 -0000

Good idea. I'll try to direct message them

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

Alex Iskold — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:08:25 -0000

We are back to NxM problem. We need to decide where we want to consume what.

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

NICCAI — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:49:46 -0000

You should speak to the two Dans at Cork'd. http://corkd.com/ and http://twitter.com/corkd

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

fredwilson — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:34:05 -0000

I agree completely

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

PhilipJames — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:30:18 -0000

Thats a really good idea - we've been meaning to allow users post their snooth reviews to twitter, sounds like we better hurry up and build it.

The Paolo Bea Sagrantino Di Montefalco Secco Pagliaro wine you linked to in the main post isnt listed for sale anymore, but is still available at some other stores.

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

fredwilson — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:16:06 -0000

I bought it a long time ago, but it's starting to decline

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

kortina — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:06:51 -0000

Regarding, "2) put a hashtag (#) in front of the varietal" and hashtags in general: do you think non-techy people care to do the hashtag thing? Hashtags to me have always seemed like a lazy way for engineers to push indexing / search tasks onto the engineer rather than coming up with a good way to parse data themselves.

I know it's not much of a burden ( just one extra character and the knowldege of how to use the # sign), but it still just irks me that the engineers are passing this work onto the end user.

Thoughts anyone?

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

roberto — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:40:37 -0000

What about "tjwine" for trader joes wine tweets?

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

Conor O'Neill — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:34:31 -0000

Definitely!

We use a specific format to make it easier to pick up the the name of the wine and your score (we use the same approach on SMS/Jaiku/Pownce too). Archiving, categorising, relating and searching becomes so much easier then. Using hashtags for the varietal is a great idea. I'll start doing that myself from now on.

Re: Winetweets - A Self Organizing Twitter Group Bot

RacerRick — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:24:39 -0000

I second your affordable wines suggestion.

But Fred's Chateau Ducru is probably more than $20!